Boundah
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« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2014, 10:45:08 AM » |
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I don't think that I have ever seen chrome bonnet grilles either.
Mine are certainly black and, I believe, original to the car.
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rossocorsa
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« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2014, 01:56:06 PM » |
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And the roofline of the S1 was lower, on the S2 they lifted it a bit (for rear passenger headroom) and that added the swage line at the back if the roof.
I think that's S2 facelift, series 2 had same roof line as series 1 (well at least i think so...) |
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rossocorsa
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« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2014, 02:00:07 PM » |
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The main S1 differences are the engine, alloy cambelt cover, instruments (similar to Fulvia3), chrome air vents and of course that bonnet, though that was retained for some time on the S2
Apart from the instruments, was the interior also retained as it was with the Spyder? Peter not sure that UK s1 cars ever had the yellow instruments,S2 interior is slightly different the seats lost the velvet side bolsters and probably a few other detail differences also I believe the rechargeable torch was deleted although the socket was still there |
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rossocorsa
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« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2014, 02:03:36 PM » |
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Hi Matt Never seen the silver/chrome vents on the bonnet before, always thought they were black. Having had a look around most are black, but just seen a picture of ones which are silver/chrome on a US spec one in brown. See http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Lancia/75-Lancia-Beta-DV-11-PVGP_01.jpgTook me a while to suss out the subtle difference in the rear part of the roof as well. Peter there were definitely both types but I am not sure what fits which car. It might have been an HPE vs coupé thing |
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peteracs
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« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2014, 04:04:06 PM » |
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And the roofline of the S1 was lower, on the S2 they lifted it a bit (for rear passenger headroom) and that added the swage line at the back if the roof.
I think that's S2 facelift, series 2 had same roof line as series 1 (well at least i think so...) I would think that would be easy enough to verify as there must be plenty of folk with S2 pre f/l on here? Or may be one of those some do, some do not depends how many S1 body shells they had to use up at the start of the S2 era.... Peter |
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Beta Spyder S2 pre F/L 1600
Beta HPE S2 pre F/L 1600
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rossocorsa
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« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2014, 04:22:17 PM » |
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curiously unlike spiders S2 pre FL coupés are relatively very rare, my understanding of the roof is that it was changed for the facelift the most distinctive difference being that the sides of the roof along the gutter are rounded on S1 and S2 but on later cars they have a flat edge plus the difference already mentioned with the shape as it meets the rear window. Whilst there may have been a small element of using up parts I don't think it was widespread on cars like the Beta which were in volume production and at least in the earlier versions didn't hang around unsold for long (same cannot be said for S2FL onwards).
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Neil-yaj396
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« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2014, 05:12:15 PM » |
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Yes, the roof line was a facelift thing. My 'old' 1300 had the lower roofline and that is a fairly late pre f/l.
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peteracs
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« Reply #27 on: May 15, 2014, 05:51:01 PM » |
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Yes, given the numbers involved, I did think it would be the very first few at the most, so looks like a f/l change, was that the same thing for the internal rear headroom?
Peter
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Beta Spyder S2 pre F/L 1600
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MattNoVAT
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« Reply #28 on: May 15, 2014, 07:58:41 PM » |
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Has anyone got Andy Collins' presentation from BetaMeet 2012 in Norfolk? that listed all the S1 differences?
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1981 2000 Coupe S2/FL
1976 1600 Coupe S1
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rossocorsa
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« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2014, 09:30:33 PM » |
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When, against my better judgement, I got persuaded into writing the beta 40th piece for the LMC rag I studied all this stuff in some detail, Beta history is not well documented even by lancia so confusion abounds. The parts books are one of the best sources to confirm changes but it takes forever to trace stuff that way, sales brochures, of which I have quite a few (hundred or so....), are good reference material but often inaccurate particularly around the s1 s2 changeover when they often used s1 photos in s2 brochures!
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smithymc
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« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2014, 08:53:14 AM » |
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My coupe is (I think) 1976 manufacture, 1977 UK registered, and that has the 'rounded roof ' shell.
Could be as simple as using all the old shells with the new engine first, then tooling for a new shell.
Mark
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rossocorsa
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« Reply #31 on: May 16, 2014, 08:55:36 AM » |
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The revised roof is definitely a s2fl introduction part of a fairly major rework of the body afaik they also changed the back panel from one to two piece at the same time
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Neil-yaj396
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« Reply #32 on: June 01, 2014, 05:28:02 PM » |
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Boundah
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« Reply #33 on: June 01, 2014, 05:39:28 PM » |
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Many thanks Neil!........... Somehow I had missed those!
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