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« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2013, 06:04:12 PM » |
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Hi Stuart Do you have the SEAT p/n? Peter |
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« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2013, 11:11:10 AM » |
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Sadly there's no part numbers on the packaging at all - just the usual stuff on the damper itself
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« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2013, 11:25:30 AM » |
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dont forget that Seat built Betas! possibly old stock from spain but I doubt if Seat can supply these days
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« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2013, 03:53:50 PM » |
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They did?
I thought they were just Fiat under license
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« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2013, 04:09:38 PM » |
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series 2 fl coupe and hpe late 70s or early 80s 1919cm3 engine otherwise same as Italian ones
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« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2013, 08:23:55 AM » |
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We're these CKD kits like the South African ones??
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« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2013, 10:34:24 AM » |
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We're these CKD kits like the South African ones??
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I think so but with local version of twin cam and possibly other content sourced in Spain I don't know much about them I have a Spanish seat magazine about it but as I don't speak Spanish I don't know what info it gives plus a brochure for the hpe (never seen the coupe brochure) I did read somewhere that they built berlinas as well but haven't found any evidence for it |
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« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2013, 10:35:38 AM » |
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I think there are some owners of seat built ones on the Facebook group
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« Reply #28 on: June 26, 2013, 11:12:22 AM » |
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We have a friend coming to visit us in 2 weeks who is fluent in Spanish...,
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« Reply #29 on: June 26, 2013, 11:42:17 AM » |
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I'll try to copy it for you
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« Reply #30 on: June 27, 2013, 08:07:40 AM » |
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« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2013, 01:51:49 PM » |
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So, our spanish speaking friend (Anna) has read through the docs provided by Alan.
The story is that the Spanish SEAT built Betas were not CKD (Completely Knocked Down) kits similar to those sold to SA. These cars were assembled/built at the newly expanded SEAT plant using the same components that were used by Lancia Italy, so chassis/body sections were welded together just like the plant in Italy, SEAT were not supplied pre-assembled shells to simply attach parts to. It was treated like a satellite Lancia plant. There were technical experts from Lancia at the inception of the upgrade to the SEAT plant to assist with the modernisation and these Lancia technical experts stayed throughout the entire SEAT Beta production run, so they didn't just go back to Italy once SEAT were up and running!
A new production line technique was also intruduced for the first time where there where "Islands on the line", this is where a small team were specialised in specific tasks and took full responsibility for thier "Island". So loom installations, engine fitting, brakes, suspension, exhaust system, lighting, trim and interior all had small teams solely responsible for that task, this improved build quality to match the high standards set by Lancia.
Lancia took some of the SEAT built cars and ran numerous comparison tests with Lancia produced cars and the results were "extremely favourable" and Lancia Italy were said to be very pleased.
My thanks to our friend Anna - who is not a car buff in the slightest !
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« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2013, 02:29:35 PM » |
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Hi Matt
Two questions come to mind.
1) Did the cars get sold in Spain only?
2) Is the model plate different to the normal one?
Anyone have any ideas, purely academic interest, but I am sure others would like to know.
Peter
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« Reply #33 on: July 10, 2013, 05:45:50 PM » |
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unlikely to be sold outside Spain because they used the Seat 1919cc engine, I guess this was a route around Spanish import regulations and duty and also gave Seat a more up market model to sell?
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« Reply #34 on: July 10, 2013, 10:02:47 PM » |
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I've never seen one and I'm not aware of any Spanish members on here with one.
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« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2013, 10:17:07 PM » |
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I think there are some owners on the Facebook groups, when I have time I will check, I know there is at least one person I've come cross with a Seat built car. I do have a brochure on the hpe and i will try to post some pages from it when time permits (and I'm not being too lazy)
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« Reply #36 on: July 11, 2013, 11:14:02 PM » |
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I have some photos from a member on the lancia beta group on Facebook     Many thanks to Michel Sanchez Nasarre I presume that the prefix GH is HPE and GC is coupe? Only obvious visual difference in engine seems to be that the cam covers appear to be plain. From the brochure I have I think these cars came with air con as standard but seem otherwise identical to Italian built cars |
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