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Title: From Russia with Beta Post by: Tone on October 17, 2012, 06:27:23 PM Hi all!
Found this HPE on the south of Russia. Thinking about purchase. Would like to know your opinion about it condition. My previous "hobby" cars - Alfa Romeo 33 Ti, Lancia Delta Integrale 16V. I like shape of the HPE body, but spare parts for this old Lancia is a huge problem here. (http://i068.radikal.ru/1210/e9/02634bc07e5d.jpg) (http://i066.radikal.ru/1210/58/43d2f55f48ac.jpg) (http://s017.radikal.ru/i419/1210/f0/7f6b2add90d4.jpg) (http://s018.radikal.ru/i504/1210/3b/1be54860f6f7.jpg) (http://s019.radikal.ru/i632/1210/7a/b092157c462f.jpg) (http://s019.radikal.ru/i618/1210/6a/43532b3d2f40.jpg) (http://s40.radikal.ru/i090/1210/93/2c4f3f6d2699.jpg) (http://s017.radikal.ru/i425/1210/ec/88a8b471ff5c.jpg) (http://s019.radikal.ru/i611/1210/c0/16eb43e61d96.jpg) (http://s019.radikal.ru/i607/1210/7f/e8b5adc38a51.jpg) (http://s004.radikal.ru/i208/1210/49/ef0906d0fc30.jpg) (http://s019.radikal.ru/i612/1210/29/8e4fd4f1aed7.jpg) (http://s018.radikal.ru/i516/1210/1a/da1c8cea84b2.jpg) (http://s008.radikal.ru/i305/1210/95/bb496074b7d8.jpg) (http://s017.radikal.ru/i417/1210/a0/223a1d169a9d.jpg) (http://s019.radikal.ru/i624/1210/a8/f98257beec20.jpg) (http://s42.radikal.ru/i097/1210/51/e1ec1da427e2.jpg) Best regards, Anton. Title: Re: From Russia with Beta Post by: Tone on October 17, 2012, 06:30:37 PM (http://s003.radikal.ru/i202/1210/8a/e7b388c11860.jpg)
(http://s019.radikal.ru/i627/1210/b9/f5a493cb7213.jpg) (http://s019.radikal.ru/i641/1210/64/fe69f17c6b20.jpg) (http://i065.radikal.ru/1210/b9/82a69b6ac4b5.jpg) (http://s16.radikal.ru/i191/1210/3a/2ca34d310aed.jpg) (http://i047.radikal.ru/1210/43/ae440cb6f939.jpg) Title: Re: From Russia with Beta Post by: Tone on October 17, 2012, 06:31:20 PM (http://s017.radikal.ru/i416/1210/4f/46c0137179a1.jpg)
(http://s018.radikal.ru/i506/1210/a0/55ded2f3c24c.jpg) (http://s018.radikal.ru/i527/1210/bd/fd1134083346.jpg) (http://s42.radikal.ru/i097/1210/69/10a7e2395667.jpg) (http://s017.radikal.ru/i433/1210/44/fe5b0c853b19.jpg) Title: Re: From Russia with Beta Post by: MattNoVAT on October 18, 2012, 11:32:19 AM Hi Anton,
Welcome to the forum :) It's amazing to see how far a Beta can travel... I think you are the first person to find a Beta in Russia on this forum. The condition of the car is quite good, it looks complete but it does look like it needs some welding to sills and it looks like it has a few oil leaks. Are the suspension turrets solid or do they have rust? Does the engine start? Has the car been driven regularly? I can understand that parts are a problem in Russia, but getting things posted to Russia should not be too much of a problem. There are plenty of people on here with spares and you can also buy new items or remanufactured items from www.lanciabetaparts.co.uk (http://www.lanciabetaparts.co.uk).... The only real issue is cost of postage. Title: Re: From Russia with Beta Post by: peteracs on October 18, 2012, 12:13:59 PM I can understand that parts are a problem in Russia, but getting things posted to Russia should not be too much of a problem. Matt, not sure it would be so easy (for larger items anyway). A number of the couriers will only accept items if they are going to a company in Russia and with personal experience I sent a used piece of computer gear to a guy in Russia to a company and they wanted to charge him import tax on the full new price for an item which was 10 years old..... May be different if sending small items in the post of course and yes it is expensive. Peter Title: Re: From Russia with Beta Post by: Tone on October 18, 2012, 08:38:58 PM Are the suspension turrets solid or do they have rust? The car is about 1500 km from me. Now i got only these pictures. Planning to go for it in november.Does the engine start? Has the car been driven regularly? The engine start, but working not as smoothly as it should. The car didn't move regularly last year. The dashboard doesn't work. In addition to oil leaks there is a leaking radiator. Title: Re: From Russia with Beta Post by: Tone on October 18, 2012, 08:47:35 PM Matt, not sure it would be so easy (for larger items anyway). A number of the couriers will only accept items if they are going to a company in Russia and with personal experience I sent a used piece of computer gear to a guy in Russia to a company and they wanted to charge him import tax on the full new price for an item which was 10 years old..... There are two main problems: cost of postage and customs clearance. If it is small detail and cost less them 1000 euro - no problem. In other cases it can be completely unprofitable.Also ebay sellers not always ready to work with russians =) Title: Re: From Russia with Beta Post by: lukasdeopalenica on October 21, 2012, 06:04:33 PM Hi Tone,
Some parts you can try sourcing from Poland. I do not know where do you live in Russia, but comparing the size of Russia even to the whole Europe the distance may make no difference... ;) Title: Re: From Russia with Beta Post by: Tone on November 12, 2012, 06:32:28 PM By documents this car is 1987 of birth. VIN ZLA828BF000928479. Can anyone suggest the correct year of production?
Title: Re: From Russia with Beta Post by: peteracs on November 12, 2012, 07:03:49 PM Wikipedia says 80-84 was the IE production time.
Peter Title: Re: Re: From Russia with Beta Post by: rossocorsa on November 12, 2012, 08:07:38 PM Email tim speechley at fiat he will be able to tell you, I will check his email when I am at home and let you know. The last beta was built in late 1984 so it can't be later than that
Title: Re: From Russia with Beta Post by: lukasdeopalenica on November 12, 2012, 08:11:21 PM The HPE production was ended in 1984.
Title: Re: Re: From Russia with Beta Post by: Tone on November 12, 2012, 08:33:11 PM Email tim speechley at fiat he will be able to tell you, I will check his email when I am at home and let you know. The last beta was built in late 1984 so it can't be later than that Thanks, this seems to be the best way! Title: Re: From Russia with Beta Post by: rossocorsa on November 13, 2012, 12:00:29 AM Tim can be contacted by email (email address sent by PM) he can provide build dates for Betas from about 1978, earlier information appears to be lost, the last Beta produced was made in November 1984 chassis number 954124, on these late cars with VIN type chassis numbers all Betas seem to have used the same sequence so sadly there seems to be no record of which model it was. Unlike the earlier Beta chassis numbers these numbers also appear meaningless or shall I say that at least I haven't been able to find anyone who can find any meaning to them.
Title: Re: From Russia with Beta Post by: Tone on December 09, 2012, 08:20:28 PM 1550 km - and i've got it ;)
(http://i056.radikal.ru/1211/5c/aaa579b5a3c9.jpg) (http://s42.radikal.ru/i095/1211/56/efc6b726f7d3.jpg) (http://s019.radikal.ru/i606/1211/72/cb98a7ba499d.jpg) (http://s017.radikal.ru/i411/1211/1c/1ea2857994da.jpg) (http://s019.radikal.ru/i611/1211/38/c7aade0e7d05.jpg) (http://s017.radikal.ru/i441/1211/33/c8e6fb73d686.jpg) A lot of not original parts - trying go back to the factory set. Where can i get Beta Serie 4 spare parts catalogue? Found *.pdf only for serie 1 and 2. Title: Re: Re: From Russia with Beta Post by: rossocorsa on December 09, 2012, 08:34:11 PM Ask information in the part number section and I will reply/advise. Parts listing for s2FL 2 (serie 4) were only ever issued on microfiche of large format that cannot be easily scanned into pdf.
Title: Re: From Russia with Beta Post by: VXdeMayo on December 09, 2012, 10:17:14 PM Dear Tone,
Welcome to Lancia Beta HPE ownership! I hope you have a lot of pleasure driving her. We especially love the HPE because they are so practical yet sporty. Did you drive back all the way or trailer it back? Keep us all posted. Best, Chas and Anne. ;D Title: Re: Re: From Russia with Beta Post by: Tone on December 22, 2012, 08:32:20 PM Ask information in the part number section and I will reply/advise. Parts listing for s2FL 2 (serie 4) were only ever issued on microfiche of large format that cannot be easily scanned into pdf. So many parts need to be repplaced... lot of questions.Title: Re: From Russia with Beta Post by: Tone on December 22, 2012, 08:35:17 PM Did you drive back all the way or trailer it back? By car. Long time preparation gave the result ;)Title: Re: From Russia with Beta Post by: Tone on January 14, 2013, 08:22:04 PM Does anyone use http://lancia.cc (http://lancia.cc) shop? Are they reliable?
They ask money for requested photo of the recored radiator :-X Title: Re: From Russia with Beta Post by: HFStuart on January 14, 2013, 11:00:48 PM Felix runs that place. I've bought items from him. He's reliable if a typically blunt South African
Aksing for money for a picture seems odd though. Title: Re: From Russia with Beta Post by: rossocorsa on January 14, 2013, 11:38:18 PM I'm not keen on them and would try to source elsewhere but I'd chance it if they were the only source. Others hold them in high regard though so it's up to you.
Title: Re: From Russia with Beta Post by: Tone on May 21, 2014, 01:12:56 PM Season 2013:
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(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9064/221626243.4/0_c3841_9ebdd677_L.jpg) Title: Re: From Russia with Beta Post by: Tone on May 21, 2014, 03:29:31 PM (http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9739/221626243.4/0_c3846_b5065526_orig.jpg) (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/youngtimers/view/800838/) (http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9745/221626243.4/0_c3847_1658fa53_orig.jpg) (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/youngtimers/view/800839/) (http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9745/221626243.4/0_c3848_bb10d405_orig.jpg) (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/youngtimers/view/800840/) (http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9739/221626243.4/0_c3849_4bd083ee_orig.jpg) (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/youngtimers/view/800841/) Title: Re: From Russia with Beta Post by: Tone on June 07, 2014, 02:36:04 PM Season work continues
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(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6839/221626243.4/0_c9b45_eb77de5f_XL.jpg) (http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9499/221626243.4/0_c6f4d_d02a00da_XL.jpg) Title: Re: From Russia with Beta Post by: Tone on September 08, 2014, 08:00:34 PM (http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4803/221626243.4/0_d38c2_5786c39b_XL.jpg)
(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4806/221626243.4/0_d38c3_49d0566b_XL.jpg) Title: Re: From Russia with Beta Post by: riverhead on June 07, 2015, 02:04:13 PM Wow
Great work Tone. It's gonna be expensive for you for parts to be sent to you from Europe. Keep if up. Huw Title: Re: From Russia with Beta Post by: Tone on June 17, 2015, 10:54:49 AM Wow The main problem - there are no Beta's in Russia :-[Great work Tone. It's gonna be expensive for you for parts to be sent to you from Europe. Keep if up. Huw Title: Re: From Russia with Beta Post by: Tone on September 09, 2015, 09:28:03 PM After engine rebuild:
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