Lancia Beta Forum

Hi all,

All the Betas had bonnet liners when new- my HPE VX doesn't have one fitted. I know a reproduction item is available from Betaboyz but could someone explain to me it's original purpose? Am I right in thinking it was twofold- noise reduction and condensation prevention? Or were there other reasons for it?

Andrew.

main function to look shabby and get tatty  :D personally I wouldn't bother with one although I'm not sure how much quieter they are with one fitted or whether i want to quieten the twin cam anyway

It was also designed to make the underside of the bonnet look neater and hide the underside of the bonnets structural design.

Granted over time if not looked after they get tatty.

I can confirm that the Betaboyz item really looks the part in my Trevi  ;D

Ditto !  The betaboyz item looks great in my coupe too!

It's nearly 3 years old a still looks like new :-)

do you think it is better than the original liners ?

That's good to know- maybe I'll get one. I'm busy tidying the underbonnet area whilst waiting for my windscreen to be delivered  :)

Andrew.

Is issue not that only repro item available is for standard car so you would have to cut hole for supercharger-I would love to buy liner for my VX HPE if one was available?

colin.

Yes, IMHO I think the reproduced version is better than the original.

Ah, fair point. I'm sure it could be done neatly though. Thotos/Matt- any opinion on what the material would be like when cut to fit a VX?

Andrew.

Can you post up a picture of an original VX bonnet liner?

It would be handy to see where any cuts need to be made and what would need to be done to stop any edges freying.

I cannot recall from memory the detail of the VX bonnet liner. I know the VX bonnet has the power bulge but a can't recall what the liner looks like.

I can't because I haven't got one. I too have no idea what one looks like; whether there was a cutout or if the liner was a different shape to accomodate the bulge I don't know. If anyone else can assist I for one would be very grateful- I don't want to buy the liner if it won't fit a VX.

Andrew.

Anyone with a VX with original bonnet liner intact...., we need your help here!

Can someone post up a picture pls?

I'm not convinced the inner skin of the bonnet is any different to any other and the outer is just for looks? Every vx pic of the bonnet i've seen usefully doesn't show a bonnet liner at all >:( see this vx hpe courtesy of Tony http://www.flickr.com/photos/tonysphotos/4451422219/#in/photostream/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tonysphotos/4451422219/#in/photostream/) looks exactly the same as mine from the inside inless i've missed something; and by the looks of things http://www.flickr.com/photos/80688018@N00/476780878/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80688018@N00/476780878/#) everything is below the bonnet line in the engine bay so shouldn't need a bulge in the inside of the bonnet ???

you can get away with a 'normal' bonnet on a VX without a liner the bulge/bump does however provide adequate clearance over the top of the carb air intake I haven't seen a VX with a bonnet liner but I presume that the bulge takes account of the thickness of the liner. When I've time I'll check my microfiche to see if the liner is different or not

A few months ago finally scrapped my rusty spares HPE VX and was my intention to remove and reuse VX bonnet liner which was different-it had indentation matching bulge in bonnet.  Unfortunately liner fell to bits in my hands as I removed it!

Colin.

I can confirm that the part numbers are different for a S2FL2 it is 82356714 and for a Volumex 82406097

So the big question is whether the reproduced version fits a VX without modification and still allows for adequate clearance.

Anyone out there tried this yet?

I reckon it would probably fit, but I don't have a VX to try it on.

(http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww247/rossocorsa/100_0106.jpg?t=1304769993)

I suspect that it would fit BUT it would probably rub on the top of the intake maybe the easy option would be for betaboyz to do a mat with a cut out section above the carb for VX versions not original in looks but probably the easiest answer???

another question that all this bonnet talk brought to mind how many cars have the pins fitted that stop the bonnet going through the windscreen in an accident? For some reason they seem to have been omitted on later cars (??) even though the threads and the slotted housing remain in place, I have them on my car but the previous owner fitted them

Wasn't aware of these, can you post a pic??

this is where it goes as the bonnet is pushed back in an accident it becomes trapped in the narrow slot and this makes the bonnet fold up rather than slide over the windscreen frame and potentially into the interior
(http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww247/rossocorsa/DSCF2202.jpg?t=1304867999)

and the pin itself I don't know if these are lancia ones or ones made up by a previous owner VXs definitely didn't seem to have these from new, afaik the captive thread to fit them is there in all series 2 bonnets though (not sure about series1) (http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww247/rossocorsa/DSCF2203.jpg?t=1304867999)

The pins are OEM Lancia items.

I've always wondered what that slot was for... now I know! And no, my bonnet doesn't have the pins fitted either... Were Lancia getting slack towards the end of production I wonder... it seems a strange thing to cut costs on, safety...

Andrew.

just curious does it have the thread  on the bonnet for the pins?

Sorry, I should've said. Yes, it does. And also, now that I'm thinking about it I do remember these pins on my 1980 HPE that I owned in '89.

Andrew.

would be interesting to know why they started to omit them just cost saving or another reason??

Possibly because they changed the windscreen construction (laminated vs toughened) or
because bonnet retainers are normally fitted on car with front edge opening and won't do
a great deal on a rear opening bonnet (it's already held at the rear by the catches).

Well I think the problem of bonnets riding over the scuttle only occurs with bonnet hinged at the front  and I think all Betas had laminated screens, the pins don't perform any function except in an accident

I checked my microfiche both S2FL and S2FL2 and no sign of this part not in the series 1 series 2 or S2FL paper parts books either, I do have a small amount of US market microfiche (sadly not a complete set) and bingo there is what appears to be this part  82351533 (the pin) and 10519601  (looks like a washer)  I am guessing that these were to meet more stringent (at the time) US safety legislation and that some ended up in error on European spec  models(???)

I have a few Coupe's and never seen this...

1975, 1977, 1978, 1983 Vx and 1984 Vx  ??? Must be some device made for the States..